{"id":3079,"date":"2025-11-25T03:53:35","date_gmt":"2025-11-25T03:53:35","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.adcolegage.com\/es\/?p=3079"},"modified":"2026-04-13T14:51:44","modified_gmt":"2026-04-13T14:51:44","slug":"the-relationship-between-chatter-and-lobing","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.adcolegage.com\/es\/blog\/2025\/11\/25\/the-relationship-between-chatter-and-lobing\/","title":{"rendered":"La relaci\u00f3n entre la vibraci\u00f3n y el lobing"},"content":{"rendered":"\t\t<div data-elementor-type=\"wp-post\" data-elementor-id=\"3079\" class=\"elementor elementor-3079\" data-elementor-post-type=\"post\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-4abfc409 e-con-full e-flex e-con e-parent\" data-id=\"4abfc409\" data-element_type=\"container\" data-e-type=\"container\">\n\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-5a30b2d interior-banner interior-banner--grayscale e-flex e-con-boxed e-con e-child\" data-id=\"5a30b2d\" 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class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-3a34576b e-con-full e-flex e-con e-child\" data-id=\"3a34576b\" data-element_type=\"container\" data-e-type=\"container\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-11bf39bf elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"11bf39bf\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p>\u00a0Adcole<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-74205b92 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"74205b92\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p>Cuando el error de perfil de una pieza cil\u00edndrica presenta un patr\u00f3n ondulado repetitivo, se dice que tiene chatter o lobing. Los dos t\u00e9rminos se solapan y a menudo se utilizan indistintamente, aunque ninguno de ellos est\u00e1 claramente definido por las normas o pr\u00e1cticas. Sin embargo, en general, las ondulaciones de baja frecuencia se denominan lobing, mientras que los errores de alta frecuencia se denominan chatter. El uso de este tipo de clasificaci\u00f3n plantea dos problemas. En primer lugar, ninguno de los dos t\u00e9rminos indica el c\u00e1lculo utilizado para obtener el resultado a partir de los datos medidos. En segundo lugar, ninguno de los dos indica la l\u00ednea divisoria en la frecuencia en la que el lobing se convierte en chatter. Por lo tanto, una especificaci\u00f3n que defina \u00ablobing\u00bb o \u00abchatter\u00bb sin m\u00e9todos y frecuencias es inadecuada. Veamos los m\u00e9todos utilizados para calcular estos par\u00e1metros en su <a href=\"https:\/\/www.adcolegage.com\/es\/shaft-metrology-gages\/\">medidor Adcole<\/a>.<\/p><p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.adcolegage.com\/es\/software\/chatter-analysis-metrology-software\/\">Las vibraciones<\/a> se calculan sometiendo el conjunto de datos a una transformada r\u00e1pida de Fourier (FFT) y dando los resultados como una amplitud frente al n\u00famero de veces por revoluci\u00f3n (denominado UPR o ondulaciones por revoluci\u00f3n). Sin embargo, el lobing se remonta a antes de la disponibilidad de los ordenadores modernos, cuando no era pr\u00e1ctico realizar transformadas de Fourier completas (si es que alguien pensaba en hacerlo). El lobing se defini\u00f3 como el error de redondez pico a pico en un sector angular del conjunto de mediciones radiales (los datos registrados a partir del perfil de la pieza mientras esta gira en el medidor). Se trata, esencialmente, de un gr\u00e1fico circular de los datos de redondez. En la pr\u00e1ctica, una \u00abventana\u00bb de 5 grados con l\u00f3bulos es la m\u00e1s estrecha seleccionada para la medici\u00f3n de l\u00f3bulos. La m\u00e1s ancha suele ser de 45 grados. Si suponemos un patr\u00f3n sinusoidal alrededor de la pieza, sin m\u00e1s error que el de la forma de onda, una longitud de onda completa que se produzca dentro de una ventana de 45 grados representar\u00eda 8 ondulaciones. Para 5 grados, ver\u00edamos 72 ondulaciones completas.<\/p><p>Seg\u00fan estas definiciones de m\u00e9todos, la FFT puede utilizarse te\u00f3ricamente para detectar patrones de ondulaci\u00f3n en cualquier frecuencia, incluidas las bajas, y el m\u00e9todo para calcular el lobing puede detectar los valores pico a pico del \u00abchatter\u00bb de alta frecuencia (suponiendo que la medici\u00f3n del l\u00f3bulo incluya una longitud de onda completa del patr\u00f3n de chatter y que el patr\u00f3n sea adyacente alrededor del registro). Por lo tanto, parece que la verdadera pregunta de qu\u00e9 es el chatter y qu\u00e9 es el lobing se reduce a la l\u00ednea divisoria en la frecuencia del evento, al menos seg\u00fan los conceptos generalmente aceptados. Existen otros m\u00e9todos patentados y espec\u00edficos para cada cliente, pero estos son los dos m\u00e9todos generales que se utilizan.<\/p><p>Sin embargo, en el mundo real, los errores en el perfil o el redondeo rara vez (si es que alguna vez) son una onda sinusoidal perfecta. Por lo tanto, cada medici\u00f3n, ya sea lobing o chatter, tiene un uso y una ventaja especiales. Pero dado que el prop\u00f3sito de cada superposici\u00f3n es el otro, los dos t\u00e9rminos se utilizan a menudo de forma incorrecta, de manera intercambiable. Un problema m\u00e1s grave surge cuando uno sustituye a otro problema. En lugar de considerar el lobing frente al chatter como una comparaci\u00f3n de frecuencia relativa, veamos este problema desde un \u00e1ngulo diferente: el de la funci\u00f3n. En otras palabras, \u00bfqu\u00e9 intentamos conseguir con la medici\u00f3n del lobing o del chatter?<\/p><p>Como se ha comentado anteriormente, la medici\u00f3n de lobing en su medidor Adcole muestra la amplitud m\u00e1xima pico a pico dentro de un sector limitado de datos de redondez. No importa si la diferencia forma parte de una onda recurrente o si se trata de un evento \u00fanico. Por otro lado, la medici\u00f3n de vibraci\u00f3n de Adcole se utiliza para encontrar los resultados espec\u00edficos de UPR y amplitud para una se\u00f1al recurrente. El componente UPR se puede utilizar para identificar la causa e incluso la m\u00e1quina espec\u00edfica que la ha provocado. Cada medici\u00f3n tiene sus ventajas y desventajas. El an\u00e1lisis FFT Chatter intenta identificar patrones c\u00edclicos en los datos de medici\u00f3n y puede separar las diferentes se\u00f1ales superpuestas en sus componentes UPR y de amplitud. Sin embargo, su capacidad para determinar la amplitud de patrones no contiguos es limitada y no es la herramienta adecuada para localizar un evento \u00fanico, como un ara\u00f1azo o una zona plana.<\/p><p>La medici\u00f3n de l\u00f3bulos, por otro lado, puede informar del pico y el valle m\u00e1ximos dentro de la ventana de medici\u00f3n y, por lo tanto, es m\u00e1s adecuada para encontrar algo como un punto plano, un ara\u00f1azo o un peque\u00f1o sector sin limpiar. Sin embargo, con los l\u00f3bulos no hay una forma pr\u00e1ctica de separar las diferentes frecuencias sin calcular 360 o m\u00e1s ventanas. Incluso entonces, se supondr\u00eda que la amplitud pico a pico completa era el resultado de una frecuencia infractora espec\u00edfica. En realidad, es probable que haya varios componentes de frecuencia que se superpongan y que puedan sumar o restar a la amplitud total. El l\u00f3bulo se utiliza mejor para detectar cambios r\u00e1pidos en los datos en un rango angular limitado, aplicando una tolerancia a la ventana que es m\u00e1s estricta que la ventana aplicada a todo el conjunto de datos. Por ejemplo, su especificaci\u00f3n puede permitir un error de redondez de 6 micras, pero limitar ese error a no m\u00e1s de 2 micras en una ventana de 30 grados.<\/p><p>La especificaci\u00f3n de lobing es eficaz para encontrar desviaciones aisladas, como un escal\u00f3n o un ara\u00f1azo en el mu\u00f1\u00f3n. El chatter es m\u00e1s \u00fatil para encontrar patrones repetitivos que indican se\u00f1ales de vibraci\u00f3n en el equipo de rectificado, o una situaci\u00f3n en la que el patr\u00f3n de funcionamiento irregular sigue presente (sin descentramiento). Ambos tipos de defectos tienen implicaciones funcionales para el cig\u00fce\u00f1al, y la combinaci\u00f3n adecuada de mediciones de chatter y lobing puede ayudar a determinar y diagnosticar la causa. Sin embargo, las dos especificaciones son complementarias y una no puede sustituir completamente a la otra.<\/p><p>Por definici\u00f3n, Lobing examina los datos de redondez en una ventana angular limitada; nuestro an\u00e1lisis de vibraciones FFTest\u00e1ndar analiza los 360 grados completos de datos. Sin embargo, si hay un patr\u00f3n de vibraciones no contiguo, puede ser \u00fatil centrar el an\u00e1lisis en una parte m\u00e1s peque\u00f1a del conjunto de datos. Una se\u00f1al que se produce en un rango angular peque\u00f1o puede parecer que tiene una amplitud menor cuando el an\u00e1lisis se realiza sobre el 100 % de los datos. Al limitar el an\u00e1lisis a un rango angular espec\u00edfico, se puede obtener una representaci\u00f3n m\u00e1s precisa de la amplitud de las vibraciones. Los paquetes de software de Adcole para el an\u00e1lisis de vibraciones FFT incluyen opciones para examinar rangos angulares limitados tanto para mu\u00f1ones como para l\u00f3bulos de levas. Para obtener un buen an\u00e1lisis, aseg\u00farese de utilizar un sector lo suficientemente amplio. Un sector demasiado peque\u00f1o puede dar lugar a resultados distorsionados y\/o a una determinaci\u00f3n deficiente del UPR.<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-12fb418b elementor-widget-divider--view-line elementor-widget elementor-widget-divider\" data-id=\"12fb418b\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"divider.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-divider\">\n\t\t\t<span class=\"elementor-divider-separator\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/span>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-d84250a elementor-icon-list--layout-inline elementor-list-item-link-full_width elementor-widget elementor-widget-icon-list\" data-id=\"d84250a\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"icon-list.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div 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